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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you did say he was fundamentally dishonest after debating him in the primaries. this is not a new attack against romney policy. >> no. and i think that the challenge for the obama people is pretty simple. the president of the united states had 90 minutes. now, if he had done his homework and actually prepared, if he had actually studied romney, why didn't he say it? why didn't he take romney head on? first of all, the charges on the tax cuts are plain wrong, and i think virtually every analyst has said and even your deputy campaign manager said the charges made are wrong. but forgetting tha
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you...
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listen to this. >> governor romney and i both agree our cooperate tax rate is too high. we both agree we've got to boost american energy production and it appears we've got some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. i suspect that on social security we've got a somewhat similar position. >> you understand what he was trying do there? >> yeah, i do. >> i got a bit confused. >> i think you're right, wolf. and i think that is a disastrous approach. the truth of the matter is mitt romney right now is the head of a right-wing extremist party called the republican party. it wasn't always the case. that's what they are today. if the president cannot differentiate himself clearly from right-wing extremism, we've got a lot of problems as a nation and he's got problems as a candidate running for re-election. in terms of social security, it is absurd for the president to say that he and romney are coming down in the same way. social security today has a $2.7 trillion surplus. social security hasn't contributed one nickel to the deficit, can pay out benef
listen to this. >> governor romney and i both agree our cooperate tax rate is too high. we both agree we've got to boost american energy production and it appears we've got some agreement that a marketplace to work has to have some regulation. i suspect that on social security we've got a somewhat similar position. >> you understand what he was trying do there? >> yeah, i do. >> i got a bit confused. >> i think you're right, wolf. and i think that is a disastrous...
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about lowering taxes isn't as attractive. it isn't elegantly stated, i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question. >> now and then you're going say something that did not come out right. in this case i said something completely wrong. i absolutely believe that my life has shown that i care about 100%. and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. and this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become president it will be about helping the 100%. >> did i say 47%? i meant 100%. i'm surprised he didn't go with 110%. how did the conservatives feel about this? from the club for growth, massive right wingers who are against any tax increases said this. there was nothing there to give us great concern. but we'll be watching what he does if he becomes president. now, in other words i hear you big guy, go ahead and lie all you need to. we know when you become president you're going to do exactly what we tell you to do. that's the problem. now let's figure out what went wrong with president obama's debate. for that let's
about lowering taxes isn't as attractive. it isn't elegantly stated, i'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question. >> now and then you're going say something that did not come out right. in this case i said something completely wrong. i absolutely believe that my life has shown that i care about 100%. and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. and this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become president it will be about helping the 100%. >> did i say 47%? i...
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and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts. it's great to see you. >> good to be here, ezra. >> you know these numbers for this plan, anything you want to fact check, correct or complicate here. >> no, you described it very well. i think what candidate romney is not owning up to is the fact that the federal government made our plan possible. they gave us the seed money, if you will, more than seed, more than half the money we needed to make it possible and the rest came from a tax that was already imposed on the state that mitt romney essentially rededicated to his eff
and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts....
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i am a tax cheat, i don't pay my taxes. if i'm walking down the street and someone has a gun to my head should a scoop protect me? >>lis: of course. yes. you got me both ways because is different. a firefighter for your home should come there and protect you and your children your family whether you pay the fee. the point is it is a fee, not a tax. just to make sure that your community is safe. that's all it is. $150? really? really? really? >> i'm pretty sure whatever reviewing court looks at it will find that the label does not rule the day. it is the effect, which is a levee, a charge, a charge on the taxpayers of california and they will pay it with a two-thirds majority vote. there has to a constitutionality and procedural constitutionality. >> if we allow this to lap in every town, can't they levee the fees all over the place if everything? >>lis: you go, taking it out of the public safety or public service which is where it belongs, you go to the public library, you get a book out, you are late on the book, you get a
i am a tax cheat, i don't pay my taxes. if i'm walking down the street and someone has a gun to my head should a scoop protect me? >>lis: of course. yes. you got me both ways because is different. a firefighter for your home should come there and protect you and your children your family whether you pay the fee. the point is it is a fee, not a tax. just to make sure that your community is safe. that's all it is. $150? really? really? really? >> i'm pretty sure whatever reviewing...
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. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy who now says his 47% comments were wrong. did mitt romney take his mask off or has the emperor got no clothes. >>> also, we're beginning to learn more about the flawed strategy that caused president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. it best not happen again. >>> and unemployment rate dropped sharply last month. add rick santorum and newt gingrich to the list of republicans who would like to see big bird on the unemployment line. >>> and finally, what the jobless number means and why some people don't like looking at it. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >> after about losing 800,000 jobs a month when i took office, our businesses have now added 5.2 million new jobs over the past 2 1/2 years. this morning we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. more americans entered the work force. more people are get
. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy who now says his 47% comments were wrong. did mitt romney take his mask off or has the emperor got no clothes. >>> also, we're beginning to learn more about the flawed strategy that caused president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. it best not happen...
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he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in speaking pejoratively of the 47%, and he was wrong to do that. he is wrong about the basic economics of our country. but we have gotten to a point where the country is paying no income taxes and taking advantage of the role of government. does that mean too high, too low? that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. >> you're only confused because he's trying to explain the comment from mitt romney, and now ari is trying to explain the new comment from mitt romney where he was very clear in saying he was wrong. ari, there is no need
he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in...
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i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way, though, is that romney has said that he would actually pay for this reduced revenue is by capping itemized deductions, but still so few specifics. i mean, he floated the idea of capping deductions at 17,000 and then floated the idea of capping them at 25,000 or 50,000. don't voters deserve to know and need to know what it is going to be at this point? >> i think he's going to have to give more specifics, certainly. a debate may not be the best platform to give specifics because the answers are supposed to be short and, frankly, randi, he was able to get away with not giving many
i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way,...
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but in this case on the tax plan, not so much obama care and other things, it did. was it played in the clips? >> it was. >> very little. >> there was a misperception on the argument over taxes. if you watched mitt romney over the campaign, he has argue head will cut everyone's tack bus not change the shiefr the burden that the wealthy will pay. now, that may turn out to be true or not if he's ever elect and goes to congress with a plan. but he did not change his plan the night of the debate. what he tried to do finally in then tire campaign is rebut the very effective obama argument that he's cutting taxes for the wealthy and sticking the middle class with a tab. it's not something the republicans believe is true. >> the key word was share, the share was taxes that the wealthy will pay. and so i was surprised the president didn't go after that too. >> is it simply that -- i've seen 20 times that. is it the other stuff, the stuff we're talking about here, the stuff that's considered too boring? >> yes, absolutely. yes. that sflies that depresses me. >> would that jo
but in this case on the tax plan, not so much obama care and other things, it did. was it played in the clips? >> it was. >> very little. >> there was a misperception on the argument over taxes. if you watched mitt romney over the campaign, he has argue head will cut everyone's tack bus not change the shiefr the burden that the wealthy will pay. now, that may turn out to be true or not if he's ever elect and goes to congress with a plan. but he did not change his plan the...
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there's a 20% rate reduction from the bush tax cuts, we're going to end the estate tax. we're going to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. you cannot sit here, mr. speaker or anybody can sit here and say that doesn't require a reduction in the amount of revenue by $4.8 trillion. >> i'll say it i'll say it. >> moderates, levels, everybody says here's the problem, you guys won't give them any credit for closing loopholes. he won't name the loopholes, you're attacking him for not giving you the target and you tack him when you get the target. >> and it's like admitting that the substance doesn't match up. >> if there's substance, why do, you keep bringing up substance. let me hear some obama substance. your substance is always to attack romney. >> if he had a couple of sharp ideas and looked like he liked the job, he would have had a much better debate. >> mitt romney said my health care plan will do the same thing. >> it doesn't seem to me that it's as binary as this, mr. speaker. think there's an issue of whether something has to give. can you talk about fact chec
there's a 20% rate reduction from the bush tax cuts, we're going to end the estate tax. we're going to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. you cannot sit here, mr. speaker or anybody can sit here and say that doesn't require a reduction in the amount of revenue by $4.8 trillion. >> i'll say it i'll say it. >> moderates, levels, everybody says here's the problem, you guys won't give them any credit for closing loopholes. he won't name the loopholes, you're attacking him for...
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>>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the conservatives call them, we had the highest tax rates, and the highest amount of growth, and the highest amount of jobs. those are facts. >>"if you ever raise taxes on the rich, you're going to destroy our economy." not true! if you have an opinion, you better back it up. >>eliot spitzer takes on politics. >>science and republicans do not mix. >>now it's your turn at the only online forum with a direct line to eliot spitzer. >>join the debate now. >> eliot: if you want to lower the abortion rate there is an effective way to do it without changing the law. you can see it in our number of the day 61% that's how much birth rate fell when birth control was given away for free. this came out of a study by washington university, 9,000 women, many of whom were poor and uninsured were offered contraceptives without cost. most got iuds or other implants which are the most effective option and usually quite expensive. but the drop in pregnancy more than made up in the ex
>>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the conservatives call them, we had the highest tax rates, and the highest amount of growth, and the highest amount of jobs. those are facts. >>"if you ever raise taxes on the rich, you're going to destroy our economy." not true! if you have an opinion, you better back it up. >>eliot spitzer takes on politics. >>science and republicans do not mix. >>now it's your turn at the only online forum with a direct...
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but he has said before that he wants to cut taxes for all americans the basis of his tax plan is that he wants to cut taxes for everyone. that, to me, was the most stunning one liner of the night, actually. >> yeah, i think so. but i also think, dana, it also stunning that you would stand up there and act like americans can't do math. i mean, you can't have a plan and then when the plan equals $5 trillion, you can't say, that's not what i'm saying. i mean, it is absolutely insulting to the american people. if you believe in a plan, if you believe if your plan is workable and doable and better than the president's, say, that argue it, and let the voters vote. but don't turn around and act like we're crazy because we heard what you've been saying for the last 18 months. >> right. obama is now in a position to nail jello to the wall. you said that romney was lying on wednesday night. now, that's possible or it's possible he's now telling the truth and the others were lies. you can't have a tax cut of that size and not add to the deficit because there are not enough loopholes to close to
but he has said before that he wants to cut taxes for all americans the basis of his tax plan is that he wants to cut taxes for everyone. that, to me, was the most stunning one liner of the night, actually. >> yeah, i think so. but i also think, dana, it also stunning that you would stand up there and act like americans can't do math. i mean, you can't have a plan and then when the plan equals $5 trillion, you can't say, that's not what i'm saying. i mean, it is absolutely insulting to...
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about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. therefore i'm not likely to draw them into my campaign. >> joining me now is karen finney former communications director for the dnc and msnbc analyst. great to have you with us. >> good to see you, ed. >> was it a brilliant strategy on the part of the obama team for the president not to use the 47% remark to give an opening to mitt romney because a huge platform of 60 some plus million people. what about that? >> you know, that may very well be. i mean, the thing that, although that is so insulting is, think about it. just the clip you just played, the night that came out, the next day where did he go? fox news. with neil cavuto. he really stood by those comments. he said, well, i could have said them a little better but i really stand by the message. for the last two weeks he has been saying i stand by this message that those people, you know, that language, even in his ads he talks about those people, that they wouldn't be attracted to his message of lower taxes? i mean, who is he
about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. therefore i'm not likely to draw them into my campaign. >> joining me now is karen finney former communications director for the dnc and msnbc analyst. great to have you with us. >> good to see you, ed. >> was it a brilliant strategy on the part of the obama team for the president not to use the 47% remark to give an opening to mitt romney because a huge platform of 60 some plus million people. what about that? >> you...
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right now that's what our tax system does. we underwrite and subsidize the recklessly irresponsible through bailouts and insurance companis and car companies. the fact is, people who are working hard and doing well. and small business owners and big business owners who are not asking for uncle sugar to work for them they are getting punished. change that and we can get out of the debt problem. governor mike huckabee always a pleasure to have you on board. >> thank you, uma. >> he raised the bar and it is mitt romney's job to live up to the standards. >> you can't have a down moment. >> we see it in the polls. the polls are change things are getting closer and mitt romney is in the league. they saw them for the first time together . he cannot let down. >> my one on one with michael reagan, the son of a president many people credit with historic debate moments. ♪ [ male announcer ] it started long ago. the joy of giving something everything you've got. it takes passion. and it's not letting up anytime soon. at unitedhealthcare
right now that's what our tax system does. we underwrite and subsidize the recklessly irresponsible through bailouts and insurance companis and car companies. the fact is, people who are working hard and doing well. and small business owners and big business owners who are not asking for uncle sugar to work for them they are getting punished. change that and we can get out of the debt problem. governor mike huckabee always a pleasure to have you on board. >> thank you, uma. >> he...
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>>reporter: governor romney took aims at president obama's plan to raise taxes on wealthy americans by $1 trillion saying that hits the small job market unduly hard and could result in 700,000 jobs simply evaporating. >>trace: we mention governor romney's second battle ground state the day. how is he tailoring the message to the different communities he is visiting? >>reporter: when he comes to st. petersburg area on the west coast of florida he will talk about medicare. it is an important issue through the entire state of florida. early today in virginia he was in coal country meeting with out of the work coal miners talking about what he sees his vision for coal versus president obama's vision. governor romney has been critical of the coal in the past but insists he is a friend and says president obama would be hostile. here is governor romney in virginia. >> the ahead of the epa has said the regulations on burning coal are so stringent it is impossible do build a new coal-powered plant. i don't believe putting our coal under the ground forever but we should take advantage of it and
>>reporter: governor romney took aims at president obama's plan to raise taxes on wealthy americans by $1 trillion saying that hits the small job market unduly hard and could result in 700,000 jobs simply evaporating. >>trace: we mention governor romney's second battle ground state the day. how is he tailoring the message to the different communities he is visiting? >>reporter: when he comes to st. petersburg area on the west coast of florida he will talk about medicare. it is...
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obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do. and one regard... we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of aural of that money going to the super wealthy. that's not a tax rate -- that's called fairness, where i come from. >> greta: well, we are back with our political panel. sam, this will be edited as a yes we do, they will cut off the end on that one. >> you know, i imagine -- i would give anything to hear the conferrings after this happens between the vice-president and the president. i imagine it's a lot like with my ex-girlfriend, after a while, they are tired of hearing i'm sorry. it doesn't cut it anymore. look, it's going to be -- it is going to come up. the middle class is getting buried -- >> greta: see, i think that's the worst one, the buried one, don't you? >> mitt romney very subtly used the buried one. it was just perfect. he was talking about how bad the economy and was the middle class has taken it particularly heard hard, they have been burr buried.
obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do. and one regard... we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of aural of that money going to the super wealthy. that's not a tax rate -- that's called fairness, where i come from. >> greta: well, we are back with our political panel. sam, this will be edited as a yes we do, they will cut off the end on that one. >> you know, i imagine -- i...
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don't like the tax policy numbers, find your own. there is a lot of that going on. >> in fairness i think what mitt romney said is defensible in the sense that, in fact, we have seen millions of people drop out of the labor force. if they hadn't dropped out and they seem to have because -- some is anyonie i aging but a l find jobs. that's a fair thing to say. >> he's on stage alan west who on friday suggests this was part of leftist radicalism at work and part of the chicago machine manipulating labor statistics. >> indeed. then there are the crazy people. >> that speaks volumes. >> he probably didn't pick the appearance knowing what the jobs figures would be. i think it's fair to say the economy has been bachltd obama doesn't have much to do with it. th president can't do that much to control the economy. but four years ago obama got to run saying, they drove it into the ditch, i can drive it out. then it turns out he can't. now the next guy gets to say, i can drive it out. he also can't drive it out, but this is the ritual every fo
don't like the tax policy numbers, find your own. there is a lot of that going on. >> in fairness i think what mitt romney said is defensible in the sense that, in fact, we have seen millions of people drop out of the labor force. if they hadn't dropped out and they seem to have because -- some is anyonie i aging but a l find jobs. that's a fair thing to say. >> he's on stage alan west who on friday suggests this was part of leftist radicalism at work and part of the chicago machine...
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rates and lowering tax revenues. he wants to lower the rates for the rich, and for everybody else. but he says, by eliminating loopholes and deductions to which the rich have much more access than anybody else, they will broaden the base and leave the revenue neutral or increase revenue. he says, i will not allow the share of the taxes that the rich are paying to go up. that undoes $100 million worth of obama advertising in 5 minutes. >> sean: you know, it's funny. i said something very similar -- on my radio program. it is amazing because they spent millions of dollars to position mitt romney and create a narrative about mitt romney and a caricature of mitt romney. wants dirty air, dirty water and doesn't care about children with autism or down's synd scprom wants to throw granny over the cliff. romney rendered all of those millions of dollars wasted. there is a side by side and people saw for themselves, a very different person than a caricature that the democrats were painting of him. where does he go from here? h
rates and lowering tax revenues. he wants to lower the rates for the rich, and for everybody else. but he says, by eliminating loopholes and deductions to which the rich have much more access than anybody else, they will broaden the base and leave the revenue neutral or increase revenue. he says, i will not allow the share of the taxes that the rich are paying to go up. that undoes $100 million worth of obama advertising in 5 minutes. >> sean: you know, it's funny. i said something very...
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on average, gas prices tend to be a little higher because of taxes and environmental regulations there and also the mixing, the switchover. >> that's happening with american airlines? pilots issues and seats coming undone? >> i'm not on american this afternoon, but they had to ground almost 100 flights because the seats were coming loose. they're saying, the spokesperson was saying because of the gunk in between the seats. >> like spilled soda? >> exactly. if you ever lose your pen on flight, don't put your hand down there pu's don't know what you're going to find. that is a reason why the seats are coming loose. insiders are saying it's a mechanism failure and they were trying to remold those seats so they'd be a little better. >> the time cog not be worse. the pilots having issues. >> could not be worse. hopefully get the seats taken care of. i can't imagine being on a seat, flipping backwards. might be sort of fun. >> not the kind of drama you want on a flight. >> probably right. >> see you before your flight again. thank you very much. >>> in today's one-minute playback, jimmy fall
on average, gas prices tend to be a little higher because of taxes and environmental regulations there and also the mixing, the switchover. >> that's happening with american airlines? pilots issues and seats coming undone? >> i'm not on american this afternoon, but they had to ground almost 100 flights because the seats were coming loose. they're saying, the spokesperson was saying because of the gunk in between the seats. >> like spilled soda? >> exactly. if you ever...